Showing posts with label veterans gun rights. Show all posts
Showing posts with label veterans gun rights. Show all posts

Sunday, April 26, 2015

Senator Grassley Has Second History on Veterans Gun Rights

I had some extra time this morning to read some old emails and right now, I am very glad I did. This one came in on the 17th. It is about Senator Grassley all in a dither about veterans losing their "second amendment rights" because of the VA. Seriously? He thought he could get away with it? He voted for it back in 2007!!!!!!!
Joshua Omvig Bill Signed into law Nov 05, 2007 Joshua Omvig Bill Signed into law Senator Chuck Grassley today made the following statement after President George Bush signed into law the Joshua Omvig Veterans Suicide Prevention Bill. The law is named for Joshua Omvig, an Iowa soldier who committed suicide upon returning from serving in Iraq. “Today’s action helps give veterans who are suffering mental anguish a place to turn when all else seems lost. These are brave men and women who need to know that there is help out there and they deserve medical treatment just like any other veteran.”
Sen. Grassley: VA Trampling Vets' Second Amendment Rights 
NewsMax
By Courtney Coren
Friday, 17 Apr 2015
"That's no determination of whether you're mentally defective." Grassley argues that "not being able to handle your own money is not a high-enough standard that you shouldn't be able to have a gun."
Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley tells Newsmax TV that there's no way to justify the Veterans Administration's putting so many veterans on the "mental defective" list, which prevents them from legally obtaining firearms. Grassley wrote a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder this week saying that the classification, which affects 83,000 veterans, "effectively voids their Second Amendment rights." 

"This is something that we're not going to be able to justify," the Iowa Republican told J.D. Hayworth on "America's Forum" on Newsmax TV on Friday. read more here
Some think the latest bill Senator Coburn held up was the only one but way back in 2007, he held up another suicide prevention bill because of gun rights and tracking veterans. Joshua Omvig Suicide Prevention
Senator Coburn Opposed the Bill Because He Was Concerned that Data-Gathering Would Prevent Veterans from Purchasing Guns. Coburn expressed concern that a section of the bill saying the Veterans Affairs Department ‘shall provide for appropriate tracking of veterans’ would result in data-gathering that could prevent veterans from purchasing handguns. Coburn said his concern was that if the department shared health data with other federal agencies, such as the Justice Department, then veterans with mental illness could be barred from purchasing handguns. [CQ Today, 8/23/07]
But, again another politician tried to rewrite their own history because Grassley not only supported it, he was part of starting it.
From Senator Tom Harkin
Let me give a little bit of history. I introduced this legislation, along with my colleague from Iowa, Senator Grassley, after learning about the case of a young Iowan--his name was Joshua Omvig--who tragically took his own life shortly after returning home from an 11-month deployment in Iraq. Joshua was a member of the U.S. Army Reserve, 339th MP Company, based in Davenport, IA. Before leaving for Iraq, he was a member of the Grundy Center Volunteer Fire Department and the Grundy Center Police Reserves. He was honored to serve his country in the Reserves and hoped to return to his community to serve as a police officer.

Monday, January 13, 2014

Vet with PTSD has to give up guns,,,still

Where were all of these people when this happened?

Joshua Omvig Suicide Prevention Act
H.R. 327 (same title) 
Signed by the President — Nov 05, 2007


EXCLUSIVE: Feds Tell Veteran He Will Lose 2nd Amendment Rights Because of PTSD
Salem-News.com
Tim King and Jerry Freeman
January 9, 2014

When did serving your country become a crime?

Pat Kirby during the Vietnam War, and today.

(MYRTLE CREEK, OR) - If Pat Kirby has his guns taken away by the federal government, then everyone else is probably going to eventually face the same thing. The clock is ticking. Pat Kirby is a decorated Oregon Vietnam Veteran with PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder). He never imagined he would receive a letter telling him he will have to turn over his guns, or face imprisonment.
read more here


How is it that people only pay attention when it involves their personal life but otherwise, don't seem to care?

This bill did more damage to veterans than it has helped them.

Here is the whole post about losing gun rights I put up in 2009.


Wednesday, January 21, 2009


Suicide prevention bill prevents veterans from getting help


by
Chaplain Kathie

I did a presentation the other day for a group of veterans about PTSD. After I was done talking there was plenty of time for questions. The question most on their minds was the right to carry a gun at the same time they were getting help.

The Joshua Omvig Suicide Prevention Bill is a wonderful thing, but yet again Congress was not thinking. What this ended up doing is raise the awareness PTSD veterans need help at the same time they were begin deterred from getting it.

Would you want a PTSD veteran needing help with a gun and getting it, or would you want one with a gun and not getting it? Seems to be the question our elected should have been asking before they wrote it the way they did.

While guns are the means of choice when it comes to suicide, and there is the domestic violence issue, they can and do find other ways. When they are trained to go into combat, they are trained to rely on their weapon as their friend. When they come home with the war inside of them, many want that friend right by their side. Many veterans with PTSD go into police and defense jobs. Taking away their gun is taking away their incomes. This leaves us with a huge problem on top of the one we've had for too many years. At the same time they hear, "go for help to heal" they are told "your right to carry a gun will go away" if you do. Ever tell a combat veteran they are no longer able to carry a gun when they did it in combat?

There is no easy answer on this when it comes to preventing suicides and domestic violence when the root cause is PTSD. Awareness is wonderful and much more of it needs to be done when two thirds of the American public have no clue what it is. Educating the communities around the nation is wonderful as well as opening Veterans' Centers but if you do not get them to go for help, none of it will do much good at all.

If this part of the bill is not removed then we will keep losing more and more veterans to suicide and see their lives slip away. One more thing if you still don't understand what this did. Some troops deployed into Iraq and Afghanistan have PTSD. They have guns. Some police officers have PTSD and serve on the streets everyday. They have guns. Do you think they could do their jobs without them? Do you see them all committing suicide or domestic violence with them? Taking away guns when they seek help is an easy answer to a very complex problem and was in fact the wrong answer.

I was worried about this and heard from a lot of veterans when the bill was signed. It took a good friend of mine to point this issue out when I was thinking the other way. Then more and more veterans contacted me with this concern. Now, I know for sure, it has kept them from getting help. Most of the veterans said it was their number one reason for not going for help. They've come to terms with the stigma being stupid now they have to deal with a catch in a bill to help them being stupid.

Write to your congressmen and have them get this right right now please. They've already waited long enough to begin the healing.

Tuesday, May 14, 2013

Libertarian Activist With History Of PTSD Calls For Armed D.C. March

Sometimes I hate opening my mail and this is one of the reasons. I know I am going to regret not just passing off this as nothing I really want to deal with but I opened it four times before I knew I had to address it.

When you read it, you'll understand why.
Libertarian Activist With History Of PTSD Calls For Armed D.C. March
By Sarah Rae Fruchtnicht
Opposing Views
Tue, May 14, 2013

Libertarian activist Adam Kokesh, who admits to a history of mental instability and post-traumatic stress disorder, is calling for an armed march on Washington, D.C., to protest against “tyranny.”

Kokesh proposed a march with loaded rifles from Virginia in D.C. on July 4. D.C. police have promised to block the march from crossing into Washington.

“This is now a call for mass civil disobedience on July 4th anywhere in Washington, D.C.,” he wrote on a Facebook page for the event. “We will march with rifles loaded and slung across our backs to put the government on notice that we will not be intimidated and cower in submission to tyranny.”

Kokesh, 31, who served as a non-commissioned officer in the Marines and reservist, wrote a 2005 college thesis entitled “Hot, Dirty, and Dangerous: Seven Months of Civil and Not-So-Civil Affairs In And Around Fallujah.”

He mentions PTSD in the thesis, writing “I had a number of anxiety attacks those first few days back [from Iraq].”
read more here


PTSD and gun rights is a huge issue because veterans with PTSD and among gun owners have been avoiding the VA out of fear they would lose their rights. Right now people are working on fixing what Congress did back in 2008. They want to put gun rights into the hands of a judge to do it on a case by case basis and not lumping all veterans in together. Wise move but this man deciding to march on Washington "locked and loaded" has done more damage to normal veterans and it is pretty disgusting.

For the last 40 years Vietnam veterans have fought a huge battle so that veterans would be respected even if people didn't agree with the wars they were sent to fight. They have moved mountains out of the way but there is still so much more to be done. Getting the truth out about PTSD is a huge part of that so that the impression of a "crazy" vet is replaced with the simple fact these men and women cared enough about our country they were willing to die for it.

This stunt will only harm them once again. The impression of the public will once again revert back to fearing the veteran instead of helping them.

I know a lot of veterans with PTSD and they have guns and I have no problem being around them because I know for a fact they would protect me from any harm. They are armed to defend and not to attack anyone. That is just how they are. I just wish people knew what they were really like and then they would know this man is not a representative of them.

Thursday, May 9, 2013

Finally the right answer for PTSD veteran gun owners

Finally the right answer for PTSD veteran gun owners
by Kathie Costos
Wounded Times Blog
May 9, 2013

When Congress passed the Joshua Omvig Suicide Prevention Act, it did more harm than good because they did not understand what they were doing. This bill ended up keeping many veterans from seeking help. Why? Because gun owners thought they would have to give up their guns if they sought help.

I was speaking to a group of veterans in 2009 when this was more important to them than anything else I had to say. I wrote that Suicide prevention bill prevents veterans from getting help
"If this part of the bill is not removed then we will keep losing more and more veterans to suicide and see their lives slip away. One more thing if you still don't understand what this did. Some troops deployed into Iraq and Afghanistan have PTSD. They have guns. Some police officers have PTSD and serve on the streets everyday. They have guns. Do you think they could do their jobs without them? Do you see them all committing suicide or domestic violence with them? Taking away guns when they seek help is an easy answer to a very complex problem and was in fact the wrong answer."

This morning I was reading Panel Votes To Limit Veteran Submissions To Gun Registry
Lawmakers said veterans who are not a threat to harm themselves or others should not be denied a constitutional right to buy and possess guns.


This is a great step in treating veterans with respect and fairly. The means by which they commit suicide is not as important as the reason. If they take away one way to do it but leave the problems unaddressed, they just find another way to do it. Having PTSD does not mean they are all suicidal or dangerous. We don't treat any group the same way just because some members of the group do something. Giving the authority to a judge puts this where it belongs, on a case by case basis.

If a veteran is a danger to himself or others, then just like everyone else, he should have his weapons removed but the fact is, most are not dangerous to anyone. Once they are treated properly and no longer suicidal, then they should be able to go back to court to have their gun rights restored.

Tuesday, March 12, 2013

VA says it won’t follow New York gun law

VA says it won’t follow New York gun law
The Associated Press
Posted : Monday Mar 11, 2013

ALBANY, N.Y. — The federal Department of Veterans Affairs says its mental health professionals won’t comply with a new gun law in New York that requires them to report the names of patients they believe likely to hurt themselves or others.

The reporting provision is set to take effect Saturday.
read more here

This was my comment

Bravo! Too many veterans will not go to the VA over fear of losing their gun rights. While people talk about taking away the number one means of committing suicide, they have to address the reason they do it first.

Sunday, February 24, 2013

Guns and mental health still as wrong as in 2007

Joshua Omvig Suicide Prevention Act was signed into law by President Bush because the Congress had to act as if they understood the issues veterans were dealing with. I was just as wrong. In 2007 I was thinking Coburn was wrong "Joshua Omvig Suicide Prevention bill blocked by Coburn" simply because the number one means of committing suicides was at the wrong end of a gun.
My husband's nephew used heroin.

I did a check to see what percentage of suicides are committed by guns and other means. There were 3,850,000 results to "top ten ways people commit suicide" search.

Google also provided this

Searches related to top ten ways people commit suicide
suicide garage
easy ways to kill self
suicide methods
quick ways to kill yourself
painless suicide methods
how to hang yourself painlessly
how to kill yourself quickly
what is the most effective way to kill yourself
This was the top answer from Harvard when I used "mental health" in the search.
Suicide, Guns, and Public Health
Most efforts to prevent suicide focus on why people take their lives. But as we understand more about who attempts suicide and when and where and why, it becomes increasingly clear that how a person attempts–the means they use–plays a key role in whether they live or die.

“Means reduction” (reducing a suicidal person’s access to highly lethal means) is an important part of a comprehensive approach to suicide prevention. It is based on the following understandings

Many suicide attempts occur with little planning during a short-term crisis.
Intent isn’t all that determines whether an attempter lives or dies; means also matter.
90% of attempters who survive do NOT go on to die by suicide later.
Access to firearms is a risk factor for suicide.
Firearms used in youth suicide usually belong to a parent.
Reducing access to lethal means saves lives.

After talking to a lot of veterans after 2007, it was pointed out to me that my thoughts were way too limited. The bill ended up putting fear into veterans that if they sought help from the VA, they would have to surrender their guns. It kept them from going to the VA. The bill to supposedly save lives was in fact preventing them from going for help.

We now have a better idea of how many veterans are committing suicide. At least 22 a day are ending their own lives. Most do use guns. Medal of Honor hero Dakota Meyer tried to commit suicide with his handgun but it didn't fire. It is not as if they suddenly decide they don't want to be here anymore. The hope of better days takes time to be eroded.

Still when you look at the numbers, the whole view of them, you'll understand that the good intentions of this bill ended badly.

Military Suicides went up.
Veterans Suicides went up.

This is from the GAO
Number of Veterans Receiving Care, Barriers Faced, and Efforts to Increase Access from 2011.
In fiscal year 2010, the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) provided health care to about 5.2 million veterans. Recent legislation has increased many Operations Enduring Freedom (OEF) and Iraqi Freedom (OIF) veterans' priority for accessing VA's health care, and concerns have been raised about the extent to which VA is providing mental health care to eligible veterans of all eras. There also are concerns that barriers may hinder some veterans from accessing needed mental health care. GAO was asked to provide information on veterans who receive mental health care from VA.

In this report, GAO provides information on
(1) how many veterans received mental health care from VA from fiscal years 2006 through 2010,
(2) key barriers that may hinder veterans from accessing mental health care from VA, and
(3) VA efforts to increase veterans' access to VA mental health care. GAO obtained data from VA's Northeast Program Evaluation Center (NEPEC) on the number of veterans who received mental health care from VA.
The number of veterans represents a unique count of veterans; veterans were counted only once, even if they received care multiple times during a fiscal year or across the 5-year period. GAO also reviewed literature published from 2006 to 2011, reviewed VA documents, and interviewed officials from VA and veterans service organizations (VSO).

Over the 5-year period from fiscal years 2006 through 2010, about 2.1 million unique veterans received mental health care from VA. Each year the number of veterans receiving mental health care increased, from about 900,000 in fiscal year 2006 to about 1.2 million in fiscal year 2010. OEF/OIF veterans accounted for an increasing proportion of veterans receiving care during this period. The key barriers identified from the literature that may hinder veterans from accessing mental health care from VA, which were corroborated through interviews, are stigma, lack of understanding or awareness of mental health care, logistical challenges to accessing mental health care, and concerns about VA's care, such as concerns that VA's services are primarily for older veterans. Many of these barriers are not necessarily unique to veterans accessing mental health care from VA, but may affect anyone accessing mental health care from any provider. Veterans may be affected by barriers differently based on demographic factors, such as age and gender. For example, younger OEF/OIF veterans and female veterans may perceive that VA's services are primarily for someone else, such as older veterans or male veterans. VA has implemented several efforts to increase veterans' access to mental health care, including integrating mental health care into primary care. VA also has implemented efforts to educate veterans, their families, health care providers, and other community stakeholders about mental health conditions and VA's mental health care. According to VA officials, these efforts help get veterans into care by reducing, and in some cases eliminating, the barriers that may hinder them from accessing care. GAO provided a draft of this report to VA for comment. In its response, VA provided technical comments, which were incorporated as appropriate.
The GAO should have added in fear of losing gun permit.

When you look at those numbers understand what you're seeing. That many veterans went to the VA and we have at least 22 of them taking their own lives everyday. While that is sickening beyond reason to many, the vast majority of them are not a threat to themselves and even less are a threat to anyone else.

This morning I was reading irresponsible reports saying that the gun and mental health issues are new. That is what caused this post. The search for responsible answers on guns has focused on mental health but the reality is, much different than they expected it would be back in 2007 when congress wanted show they were doing something so they were willing to just do anything.

Suicide Prevention bills have not worked because Congress didn't understand it.

The means by which they commit suicide is important but not as important as why they do it.

Tuesday, December 4, 2012

Senate in veterans gun rights fight

Some in the Senate are playing games again and at the heart of it is the filibuster blockage too many have used in the past.

Senator Coburn says that judges should decide if a “mentally incompetent” veteran should have a gun or not. How would this be done? Every veteran with a gun permit and a PTSD diagnosis has to go to court and talk to a judge about what it took far too long to talk about in the first place? Imagine how that would go over. Has he ever heard about how long it takes to get in front of a judge? If he thinks this will work then how would a veteran pay for a lawyer? If they are "“mentally incompetent” then does he think they will be able to defend themselves?

They tried this before and President Bush signed the bill tied to it as Joshua Omvig Suicide Prevention Bill and I was asking what's the best answer in 2012 because there aren't any easy answers other than making sure when our veterans come home and need help, they get it.

The Democrats answer hasn't worked because they are going after the way the veterans commit suicide and not the reason they commit suicide.

Change on veterans’ gun rights lights fire
Coburn wants decisions by judge rather than VA for impaired troops
By David Sherfinski
The Washington Times Monday
December 3, 2012

A major defense-spending bill hit an unexpected bump on its journey through the U.S. Senate over an amendment on veterans’ gun rights, which devolved into a heated floor debate and foreshadows a potential battle over Democrats’ vows to tweak the filibuster rules in the clubby, traditionally collegial body.

Sen. Tom Coburn, Oklahoma Republican, wants veterans who have been deemed “mentally incompetent” to have their cases adjudicated by a judge — rather than the Department of Veterans Affairs, as happens currently — and argued that veterans who simply cannot support themselves financially are needlessly given the label and, as such, cannot buy or possess firearms.

“We’re not asking for anything big,” Mr. Coburn said Thursday evening on the Senate floor. “We’re just saying that if you’re going to take away the Second Amendment rights … they ought to have it adjudicated, rather than mandated by someone who’s unqualified to state that they should lose their rights.”
read more here


Retired Generals and Admirals want gun law changed to prevent military suicides

Wednesday, October 19, 2011

114,000 veterans denied gun rights by Veterans Affairs

Senators: V.A. has denied gun rights to more than 100,000 veterans
Published: 3:28 PM 10/18/2011

By C.J. Ciaramella - The Daily Caller

They pledged to support and defend the Constitution, but the office of North Carolina Sen. Richard Burr says more than 100,000 U.S. military veterans may be being improperly denied one of the most fundamental rights they swore to protect.

Military veterans whose Veterans Affairs benefits are managed on their behalf by appointed fiduciary trustees are deemed “mentally defective” and reported to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), a computerized database which prohibits them from purchasing firearms.

Sen. Burr is the ranking Republican member of the Senate Committee on Veteran’s Affairs. His office told The Daily Caller that around 114,000 veterans have been reported to the NICS and are unable to purchase firearms.
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Sunday, July 3, 2011

More than 100,000 veterans lost their gun privileges

Many will read the following and think about the increased suicides in the military. While we know they have weapons, it is an easy jump to conclude if we take their weapons away, they won't kill themselves when they are veterans. The truth is, it didn't do any good at all.

We read the reports of standoffs with police and SWAT teams. There is usually a gun involved and usually the standoff doesn't end well for law enforcement or the veteran.

We read about a troubled veteran ending his/her pain when their body is found and a gun laying on the floor.

The truth is a firearm is just a weapon of choice. Take their guns away and some people think that will be the answer but they just find another weapon to use. Threaten to take their guns away and you'll find veterans staying out of therapy. Would you rather have a veteran with a gun in treatment or one with a gun and no treatment? They don't want to give up their guns for a reason. In combat, a weapon was as much a part of them as their right arm and they knew it would save their lives. They come home feeling the same way in case someone wants to hurt them or their family. That is foremost in their minds, so the thought of them being the one to endanger their own lives or their families is quickly dismissed. There is very little evidence that veterans kill their families compared to the general population and rare considering there are 22.7 million veterans in America as of September 2010.

In Florida alone we have over 1.6 million of them.

FLORIDA
Projected Veteran Population by Year

9/30/2010
Total Veteran Population
1,650,900

Female
140,300

Male
1,510,600

Vietnam Veterans
511,100

What's the answer to all of this? The laws did little to help veterans. Do you think that maybe, just maybe, the answer is to make sure there is no veteran left behind and come up with programs that work instead?

"At least a few hundred people with histories of mental health issues already get their gun rights back each year. The number promises to grow, since most of the new state laws are just beginning to take effect. And in November, the Department of Veterans Affairs responded to the federal legislation by establishing a rights restoration process for more than 100,000 veterans who have lost their gun privileges after being designated mentally incompetent by the agency."


"Larry Lamb, a Vietnam veteran from San Diego who has suffered from depression and post-traumatic stress disorder, lost his gun rights and his cache of weapons in 2006 when he was involuntarily hospitalized after his dog’s death left him suicidal. A psychiatrist who examined Mr. Lamb wrote that he “is extremely paranoid with a full-blown P.T.S.D., believing that he is still at war in the active military and he is a personal bodyguard of the president and many senators.”"


"In early 2008, a Superior Court judge in San Diego granted Mr. Lamb’s petition to have his firearms rights restored, after his psychologist testified that he was not dangerous. But the judge, without access to Mr. Lamb’s full medical history, was unaware of a crucial fact: the local Veterans Affairs hospital had placed a “red flag” on Mr. Lamb, barring him from the hospital grounds because he was perceived to be a threat to personnel there."


Some With Histories of Mental Illness Petition to Get Their Gun Rights Back

MICHAEL LUO
Published: Sunday, July 3, 2011 at 6:30 a.m.
Last Modified: Sunday, July 3, 2011 at 5:17 a.m.
PULASKI, Va. — In May 2009, Sam French hit bottom, once again. A relative found him face down in his carport “talking gibberish,” according to court records. He later told medical personnel that he had been conversing with a bear in his backyard and hearing voices. His family figured he had gone off his medication for bipolar disorder, and a judge ordered him involuntarily committed — the fourth time in five years he had been hospitalized by court order.

When Mr. French’s daughter discovered that her father’s commitment meant it was illegal for him to have firearms, she and her husband removed his cache of 15 long guns and three handguns, and kept them after Mr. French was released in January 2010 on a new regime of mood-stabilizing drugs.

Ten months later, he appeared in General District Court — the body that handles small claims and traffic infractions — to ask a judge to restore his gun rights. After a brief hearing, in which Mr. French’s lengthy history of relapses never came up, he walked out with an order reinstating his right to possess firearms.

The next day, Mr. French retrieved his guns.
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Get Their Gun Rights Back

Saturday, January 9, 2010

What's the right answer with PTSD and gun rights?

What's the right answer with PTSD and gun rights?
by
Chaplain Kathie

I know a lot of veterans with PTSD and they own guns. For too many not receiving the help they need, having a gun helps them feel "protected" instead of being any kind of danger to themselves or others. While tracking PTSD reports across the country for all this time, I am also fully aware of the fact guns are used to end their pain as well as take the life of someone else when they "freak out" usually due to a flashback and other factors of PTSD. So what's the right answer? Is it to not allow them to have guns or would it be more appropriate to get them the help they need?

Not such a simple answer. When you consider some of the law makers wanting to do the right thing they need to look at the bigger picture. A knee jerk reaction is that it makes sense to take guns away but they need to look at what this ends up doing. It stops PTSD veterans from getting help because they don't want to give up their guns. Do you want them to have no help as PTSD gets worse while they have guns in the house?

I do presentations providing awareness of what PTSD is and what it does. Usually there is a question and answer time following the video. Most of the questions are about gun rights. This is not a good thing. Innocent civilians never being deployed into combat are victims of combat when PTSD takes hold and a veteran opens fire. They know how to use guns and they know how to hit what they aim for. After all, this is what kept them alive in combat. When they come home, they have relied on weapons to stay alive to the point where they cannot even think of being without their guns and knives. Weapons become a part of them and they would never think of leaving them behind or not having one within reach because in combat, every second brings more danger to them, then they take that thought into civilian life.

The best answer to this is to make sure every veteran with PTSD receives the help they need and this requires learning to live a peaceful life again. They cannot do this with medication alone. They need therapy provided by an expert dedicated to healing PTSD and not someone with such limited knowledge they can't even understand what PTSD is. Too often this is exactly what the veterans are getting.

The issue of them not being responsible for their financial affairs is connected to the majority of veterans with high PTSD scores. Short term memory loss and irrational thinking are parts of it as well, but just because they want to go out and spend money they can't afford or can't remember to pay a bill, that does not automatically make them dangerous to themselves or others.

When the Joshua Omvig Suicide Prevention Act was first being debated, my knee jerk reaction was supporting this effort. It made sense until it was pointed out to me that it could potentially cause more harm than good. I did not really understand how deep the need was to hang onto guns or how much this would hurt them emotionally. It was pointed out to me by one of my friends that they would end up feeling as if their time in combat meant nothing and that they were suddenly supposed to give up their rights just because they came home wounded by PTSD. PTSD hit them while they were in combat but they still had weapons, trusted to have the weapons and now when they are trying to live a relatively "normal" life again, they are supposed to give up their weapons leaving them feeling they are penalized for serving and risking their lives.

We read about veterans taking the life of someone else and think this is a huge problem. We read about them committing suicide with a gun but we fail to understand they find other ways. What we also fail to understand is that when we're talking about numbers measured by hundreds of thousands the percentage of veterans with PTSD using guns against someone else is low enough to show this is not the answer.


Bush Signs Joshua Omvig Veterans Suicide Prevention Bill into Law

The Joshua Omvig Suicide Prevention Act (H.R. 327) is designed to help address Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) among veterans by requiring mental health training for Veterans Affairs staff; a suicide prevention counselor at each VA medical facility; and mental-health screening and treatment for veterans who receive VA care. It also supports outreach and education for veterans and their families, peer support counseling and research into suicide prevention. The VA had been implementing a number of these programs, but not in a timely manner, whereas the Joshua Omvig bill mandates these programs and subsequent deadlines as a means of expediting the process for returning veterans.

The rate of 18 veterans a day taking their own lives does however prove the need to be better at taking care of them overall not just those deemed too impaired to handle their own finances.

In a perfect world, all our veterans would receive whatever care they need to recover from physical and invisible wounds, would be able to have the financial security when their wounds prevent them from working and would find their families receiving the full support they need to care for them, but this is not a perfect world. Less than half of PTSD veterans seek help to heal even though the sooner they seek help the better the outcome, they fight against getting help, partly because of the stigma but also because they do not trust the government to deliver anything. Can you blame them?

Depending on what part of the country they live in, their claims can be harder to have approved, harder to get to care and harder to find the best care. Even when you look at the National Guards, you'll find some states ahead of the rest with programs to address PTSD and suicides. The Montana National Guards efforts prove this and this program is being taken to a national level, but in between then and now, the Montana National Guardsmen are able to use this program while other National Guardsmen are receiving very little. Then there is the issue of the backlog of claims along with denials. There are too many obstacles already.

Threatening veterans to take away their guns ends up making sure less veterans seek help for PTSD and with the system the way it is, they don't need one more reason to stay away from the VA.

Bill protects rights of wounded veterans

It is clear from your recent editorial about S. 669, the Veterans' Second Amendment Protection Act, that you took the time to read the talking points of an organization opposed to my legislation, but never bothered to actually read the bill. I welcome the opportunity to inform your readers what it really does.

The Veterans' Second Amendment Protection Act requires a judicial process, rather than a bureaucratic one, to determine whether or not veterans are a danger to themselves or others before stripping them of their constitutional rights. These men and women are the only recipients of federal benefits who are automatically deprived of a constitutional right solely because they've been appointed a fiduciary, regardless of the reason. Recipients of Social Security and other federal benefits are not subject to such arbitrary decisions.

You wrote that the current process is "not easy." You are correct in one regard. While it is quite easy for VA to add a veteran--and family members--to the NICS list, it is extremely difficult for a veteran to appeal that decision. Just ask Corey Briest, a veteran who was severely wounded in Iraq. Corey's wife Jennifer, his fiduciary, wrote to me that a VA field examiner admonished them to rid the house of their guns or they could be prosecuted. Never mind that Corey was encouraged to hunt as part of his rehabilitation, and never mind that he owns a heirloom rifle, handed down to him by his grandfather (also a veteran) that Corey wanted to pass on to his son. And never mind that no one bothered in the first place to assess whether Corey was a danger to himself or anyone else.
read more here
Bill protects rights of wounded veterans

Monday, June 8, 2009

Gun rule is hurting veterans

First, no, President Obama does not want to take away your rights to have a gun. He was a Constitutional Professor after all and believes in the what the Founding Fathers laid down. This ruling came down before he was President and has done more harm to PTSD veterans than protecting them.

After presentations to veterans I have a question and answer session. This is the most asked question of all. It is preventing them from getting help for PTSD from the VA because they are afraid they will have to give up their guns. Imagine a combat veteran depending on his weapon for his life while deployed into combat, then telling them they are no longer responsible enough to have a fire arm. Some of them also need their guns because they are in law enforcement. Did anyone think of them?

PTSD comes in different levels and when you have a veteran that is no treat to himself or others, add this concern into the mix, no matter how the wording in this bill went, you have a huge problem. Would you rather have a PTSD with a gun getting help or a PTSD veteran with a gun, getting no help? Easy answer on this one.

This issue needs to be fixed and fast. It was not a wise move even though it sounded that way. It's kept veteran from getting help.

Senator Coburn was in a fight over this on the Joshua Omvig Suicide Prevention Act, which did make changes in the way the VA responded. Here is part of the fight he had.

Coburn Cites Defense of the 2nd Amendment
The junior senator of Oklahoma has taken on a new cause however, quite possibly his most controversial of all. United States Senators are allowed to place a hold on legislation thus blocking it from coming to the floor if they have serious reservations about such legislation. Tom Coburn has had a hold on the Joshua Omvig Veterans Suicide Prevention Act of 2006 for nearly six months now. The bill is meant to dramatically increase funding to prevent what has been proven to be the sky rocketing suicide rate among veterans of both those who have served in the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. Now Coburn objects to the bill because it mandates that veterans receive a mental health screen when they come back from duty. Apparently Coburn is afraid that the gun rights of veterans will be trampled upon if they admit to owning a firearm during the health screening.

Coburn Cites Defense of the 2nd Amendment


Now you know what is behind all of this. The words our elected use should always be thought of very carefully to know if what they think they are saying will help or hurt. In this case, it ended up hurting the veterans they wanted to help.

Gun Rights Lobby Prepares To Weigh In On Sotomayor
By Greg Vadala, CQ Staff
With congressional Democrats divided on gun issues and the Obama administration steering clear of the topic, gun rights advocates have bagged new legislative trophies this year and are taking aim at additional targets.

The National Rifle Association (NRA) and Gun Owners of America have an ambitious to-do list. They are preparing to:

•Weigh in on Obama’s nomination of federal appellate court Judge Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court.

•Advance a proposal by Sen. Richard M. Burr , R-N.C., to ensure that veterans are not wrongfully denied the right to bear arms.



On the legislative front, both groups support Burr’s legislation (S 669) on veterans’ gun rights. Under current law, the Department of Veterans Affairs is required to report to the FBI’s criminal background-check database — the system firearms dealers use to determine who can buy guns — any information on veterans determined to be mentally “defective” and unable to manage their own finances. Burr’s bill, co-sponsored by Jim Webb , D-Va., would prohibit the VA from sending the names of those veterans to the database unless a judicial authority rules them a danger to themselves or others.

The Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committee, on which Burr is ranking member, approved the measure in May. Burr is looking to attach it to another piece of legislation because Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid , D-Nev., is otherwise unlikely to bring it to the floor.

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